- New Way To Live - Alter Bridge
Today a friend (Karandeep) and I had the pleasure of interviewing a Vietnam war veteran. We met Joe when we were volunteering at Centerville Presbyterian Church, and he graciously agreed to sit down with us for a little bit. Rather than a normal blog post, I'll post the transcription of our interview. There's some pretty powerful stuff in here, so I hope you guys enjoy it:
Kyle: Ummm…what do I want to start off with….so once you got to, um, once you got to the war first, where did you go? Where were you stationed?
Joe: We were in Okinawa, we were in Cambodia….
Deep: First you went to Cambodia?
Joe: Yeah.
Kyle: Do you remember, like, sort of like how you felt when you first got there, when you stepped off the plane?
Joe: Yeah, scared. Scared to death. No fun, no adventures. Hell. Once you got over there, you would be fighting for your life. If you don’t kill the people you’re supposed to, you will get killed, you’ll die. 17, 18 year old kid, you die.
(At this point we were interrupted by a guy coming in the camper, but he left and we resumed)
Joe…I was 18 years old
Kyle: 18 years old when you went in?
Joe: Yeah.18. Some people were 15…young kids, rich kids.
Kyle: Yeah…we were actually watching a film on it , about how, sometimes they’d tell kids to lie about their ages
Joe: They did, yeah. To go help their country, yeah they did. They said they were 18, were supposed to be 18, but were really actually 16.
Kyle: So, when you got there, how long before you were fighting or you were in combat?
Joe: 3 years.
Kyle: No, how long did it take, like once you got there were you…did you go straight to fighting?
Joe: Yep, straight. Going off, jumping off the helicopter, to the jungle. Into the jungle.
Kyle: Oh wow
Deep: You were like a replacement for the people…
Joe: People who were coming out. They would be able to go back home, eat, because, they’ve been there for more years.
Deep: Where were you stationed in?
Joe: I was in Vietnam…the base. From there, to the jungle, and then from there I went to, uh…I was in Georgia, doing training too, and Okinawa.
Kyle: Okinawa?
Joe: Yeah and we…were with 6 friends. And 3 of us came back, 3 died. Once you’re in there, your time goes so slow. And…all you see is body parts all over the place, and you know, you either kill or you’re being killed. First time I (killed somebody) I was…so shocked. Now, what I do, I help out the church to (forgive) myself for what I did when I was young, so God will forgive me, for what I did. So that’s why I work to…help out the church, and help people out.
Deep: Do you…do you think that, the war you were fighting in, was it pointless?
Joe: If it was worth it?
Deep: If it was worth it for your –
Joe: No!
Kyle: Anything…was there anything good that came out…
Joe: I didn’t believe in that!
Kyle: You didn’t believe in war?
Joe: No. I’m a Catholic. You know, I didn’t believe in killing and all that but…you do what the President says, or else you go to jail.
Deep: So you were basically like forced to…
Joe: …I got drafted.
Kyle: Did you ever think about maybe like burning your draft card or anything?
Joe: No, but when I got back…yes!
(Laughter)
Joe: Yes, it was hell! I never thought I would make it back over here, you guys. You know, I prayed every day, all day long…you don’t sleep at day time, you don’t sleep at night time, you sleep, you ‘re dead. Three years is a long time. And you count your days, while you’re worried about staying alive, still…and we had to kill young kids, because they were carrying bombs, and blew up our troops. You know, things like that it’s…no fun, it’s a nightmare. Took me two years for rehab…I’m, a little bit crazy ‘cause of all the stuff that happened. And sometimes, you know, I can’t sleep you know, because I get nightmares. When I go to sleep right now, still right now.
Deep: It’s like an everlasting effect
Joe: Yeah I mean, it went away for a couple of years, but it still comes back and you (get those feelings) again.
Kyle: Well the main thing with our project is we’re supposed to compare like the circumstances of the Vietnam War and the Iraq War, which I know was..nowhere near..
Joe: Vietnam was much worse than Iraq!
Kyle: Yeah, way more deadly! But…the only thing I was wondering about is that, like..I was reading in an interview with an Iraq guy and he said how some people, some of the Iraqis…liked having them there, and some of them didn’t like having them there…did you, like how did the South Vietnamese feel about…
Joe: They didn’t like having us there
Kyle: They didn’t like you guys at all?
Deep: They didn’t help you out at all?
Joe: Well…for me being there, it made me more…wiser and more, not scared of nothing. ‘Cause I already been to hell…you know, but I made it back with…God’s help, I guess…
Kyle: Did you…feel any, like, personal hatred toward the Vietcong and the people fighting you or were just there trying to…
Joe: Just there…I just done my duties.
Deep: Just following orders?
Joe: Just following orders. Yup, they give you different work, you’re supposed to report, or else you go to prison. So I just done…my orders…
Kyle: Were you…did you ever get captured, were you ever a POW?
Joe: Uh..no. Almost…no. I was in the jungle…for 3 months. 102 degress hot in the foxhole...water up to here (motions to waist)…eating bugs. You gotta survive one way or another. Monkey brains…
Deep: You had to survive off that…
Joe: Whatever, you know, you’re hungry, you eat. They don’t give you…they don’t give you a tv dinner here or…just a small little can about this big.
Deep: So about the, uh, the equipment that you carried, was it…really really heavy…
Joe: You carry your weight, 150 pounds.
Kyle: Oh wow
Joe: You’re all packed up…your rifle, your knife and, I mean you’re all..and your gun. I actually carried 175 pounds ‘cause I weighed 150 and..25 pounds more heavier, with you, and you’re gonna need it.
Kyle: And then you have like, colonels and sergeants tellin’ you to move your ass and stuff when you’re trying to…trying to carry all…
Joe: Yeah you fall on the ground, then a snake gets to you and…all kinds of stuff…
Kyle: How did you…feel about, like, your fellow soldiers and and your officers, how did you all get along?
Joe: You had to. You didn’t get along, you’d be dead. You follow orders and you help people out…that’s your, that’s your family right there. I mean, we’re here to do our business and we do what we gotta do. Your platoon, that’s your family, right there.
Kyle: Speaking of that, were you able to keep in touch with your family at all, while you were there?
Joe: Never, no. Three years, no.
Deep: So you were basically cut off?
Joe: No…no family. Nothing. When they told me my day was up, I was so happy. I jumped in the helicopter so quick. And then he asked me if I wanted to, to be reassigned!
(Laughter)
Kyle: Do you remember…where you were, like, when they told you, you could go home? Do you remember where…like were you out…
Joe: In the jungle. I spent the three years out there.
Kyle: Did you…are you still friends with anyone that you met out there, or…from Vietnam are there any other soldiers that you knew…
Joe: People here, my friends, they were with me..
Kyle: Oh, they went to Vietnam?
Joe: Yeah and now we’re all here hanging out, and we get together sometimes.
Kyle: It’s horrible you know the people that were out there…fighting for our country…I just think you guys should be treated a little better than…like you see all those, like, the movie stars who live out in those, like, up in those…that should be you guys, you know, you guys who…went out there and died and risked your lives for us.
Joe: You know I’m still having a hard time with it, because, all that happened I get nightmares still…and when I walk I feel like I’m gonna step on a mine, or it feels like…I can’t think right…’cause my minds already all, messed up. But…I’ll survive.
Kyle: Hey, if you survived that, then ..you can survive anything this, this is nothing!
Joe: I’m tellin’ you I never…never thought I was gonna make it! I mean, I was out there and uh, I thought I would die. My mom even told me, she said, I don’t think you’ll come back. But..I made it back, I don’t know how, but I did.
Deep: How did your family react..to you being back?
Joe: Oh…the whole family…they had a big old party.
Deep: What about when you were shipped off?
Joe: They had a big old party for me. All the neighbors…they had a big old party for me. All people from…Kennedy High Scool. I went to Kennedy High School when it was brand new. That’s where Tower of Power (said with an accent) started you head of Tower of Power, a band called Tower of Power? That’s where they started from, Kennedy High School. Some good bands started there and got famous.
Kyle: Oh, wait, what were their names?
Joe: Tower of Power?
Kyle: Oh, I’ve heard of them!
Joe (sings): “You’re still a young man…”
Kyle: Yeah yeah, oh wow, I didn’t know that!
Joe: The original singers!
Kyle: Oh, ok! That’s cool, did you know them?
Joe: I knew them. One of, uh…one of them was my sister’s boyfriend. But uh…hey if you guys ever get drafted go to, go…go north, go to Canada!
(Kyle and Deep laugh)
Joe: It’s not worth it, it’s not worth it…just, be with your family. I love everybody, I love everybody. And that’s why I go out, helping people out, because, I do what I did and..I’m still hurting for it.
Kyle: Yeah…y-you don’t have to feel bad, man. You did what you had to do.
Deep: Yeah.
Joe: I had to do it, so I did it. Or else I’d be, behind bars. Look at that…Muhammad Ali guy…he got drafted, he went to jail….he said he don’t believe in killing so they put him in jail. I coulda done that, but I…
Deep: Sacrifice…you had to sacrifice…
Joe: I just did what I had to do. I think I’m more of a man, I’m more wiser, now. Because, when I was a youngster, I was a bad boy. I was in gangs. I showed up from LA…13 years old I was in gangs, and, moved up to Fremont and I got here and I was in gangs…the army helped me out a lot. When I was in the army I turned into more of a man.
Kyle: Well I guess that’s, that’s about the only good thing that came out…
Joe: I came back and, I was smarter and, not being in trouble and, being more, uh, dependable….I don’t believe in killing, I love everybody.
Kyle: You have anything else?
Deep: No, that’s about it.
(we all exchange goodbyes…)
Video:
War-themed song for Joe...Bullet for my Valentine is very much a heavy metal, metalcore-type band. So if you're not into that...I wouldn't listen. Here's "Scream, Aim, Fire". Enjoy!